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Author Topic: Designing a manual variant for Aus?  (Read 361 times)
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« on: December 30, 2009, 05:27:00 PM »

Hi guys, I like your knowledge base sharing and parts availability for the AR10/15/M16.
Problem is, I live in Australia. I was thinking of designing a lower body with the mag hole completely blanked off.
And also modding the cartridge loader to only eject the shell and leave an open chamber with the bolt set in the pulled back position awaiting a new cartridge to be hand loaded from the side. Is it possible?
We are not allowed to own guns that self load or are semi automatic.
But the AR15 looks like such a cool device with so many bits to bolt on like scopes, lasers, different length barrels.
It would be great for hunting wild boar in northern queensland.
I was thinking of using a close grain iron for the lower body or perhaps a cast stainless.
What are your thoughts? Buy a chinese bolt action? (not)
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 07:03:16 PM »

Interesting idea and very possible. You would need to drill a small hole in the mag area and fix a spring to push the bolt catch, but that would be easy.
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2009, 04:36:15 AM »

Here's the deal, this was our 'gun buy back' we had a while ago and are as follows;

    *  banning military style automatic and semi-automatic firearms
    * limiting the availability of non-military style semi-automatic rifles and shotguns to primary producers, professional vermin exterminators, and a limited class of clay target firearm users
    * introducing registration for all firearms, including long arms
    * grouping firearms into 5 broad licensing categories
    * requiring all licence applicants to establish a genuine reason for firearms ownership
    * requiring all licence applicants other than those applying for category A firearms to establish that they have a special need for the particular category of firearm
    * requiring that permits be acquired for every new firearm purchase, with the issue of a permit to be subject to a waiting period of at least 28 days to enable appropriate checks to be made
    * stricter storage requirements for all firearms
    * requiring all sales to be conducted by or through licensed firearms dealers.


It's all very ho hum stuff, I can own a Ruger 44 carbine with a mag, but not an AR10 with mag based on the fact it was a military arm.
The only way to use an AR10/15/M16 in Australia would be to build one with ZERO/zip/none/nought gas porting for loading.
Basically, the variant would be a dedicated upper and lower housing with an old school bolt. The architecture of the AR could be carried over like mag, trigger mechanism, threaded butt and barrel mounting. But no cigar for shells popping out, but at least we could have a mag!
Probably the Ruger is smart money, but no fun for gunsmithing billet stuff. Stamped metal just does not have that same appeal.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2009, 04:22:22 PM »

Are you allowed to have a magazine of any kind in you rifles?  If so it seems it wouldn't be that hard to build an AR10 variant that did not use the gas system at all.  Here's a pic of a variant of an AR15 pistol that is a gas operated but instead of a standard charging handle it has charging adapter up on the top of the barrel.  This also doesn't have a buffer instead the spring is up on the charging tube.


Another method would be to put some kind of pump mechanism, here's a video of a pump action AK47, I think it was designed for markets that don't allow semi-automatic rifles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl927obOpxU

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 07:35:29 PM »

I thought all of the sheep were in New Zeland  Grin

Since you all turned in all of your guns it does not leave a lot that you can do.

Such a shame that an entire country country of (formerly) free people submitted to the liberal looters of the world.


On to your question: You could leave the mag  area solid and not drill the gas hole in the barrel, leave out the gas tube. You would only need to put a spring under the bolt catch where the rear of the mag normally raises it to catch the bolt on the last shot. This would fire a single shot, eject the shell and lock back the bolt, ready for you to drop in another round. You would just need to slap the mag release to close the bolt on the live round and be ready to fire again. At least it would look like an Ar 10.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2010, 11:05:30 PM »

Well, it might be time for me to consult with the law on this one.
If a green light direction is approved, then I will post up any cad related stuff for fellow ozzies (or fellow orwellian servants) to binge on.

Grouse web site, thanks guys!
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 03:30:55 AM »

Hi guys.

First post for me. ive been a long time watcher of this site and only recently joined the forum.

1shot i have seen an ar15 based pump action (i think it was a DPMS, but dont quote me Smiley) here in oz. I imagine something similiar can be done in ar10.
However i think the gun grabbers (weapons licensing) might not appreciate u making them as they 'look' very military having an ar15 lower
(there are a number of bolt action firearms that customs wont allow into the country because they look too military Huh) . As i understand it only 50ish were ever made and not many actually made it to australia. Therefore weapons licensing is currently turning a blind eye to it or alternatively dont have a clue as to what it actually is!

However if it could be done it would be a winner as the remington 7600 is crap!!

Oh and "banned member" there was very low compliance in states that didnt already have gun registration. So the states that did have registration handed stuff in, then crossed the border and bought stuff while the buyback was still on with the funds they recieved from handing stuff in. Wink But bottom line too many guns got crushed too many sheep i guess  Roll Eyes

Great website guys!!
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 02:24:24 PM »

What if you painted it pink and put flowers and peace signs all over it?  Then it wouldn't look "too military."
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 07:31:16 PM »

Is there any legal exception when the caliber is non-standard?  Would the AR15 or AR10 style rifle still be as prohibitted in .222 or .243 cal?

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